Thursday, April 20, 2006

Students drive 15 miles on 0,35 ounces of Hydrogen!

Students from the Danish college of technology (DTU) have develeped a new and innovative fuelsystem which eleminates the loss of hydrogen in a fuel cell.

By eleminating the loss of hydrogen in the fuel cells, the Danish students have made hydrogen power "cost efficient" and have layed a major piece in the hydrogen engine puzzle.

The new fuel system was developed while working on the new hydrogen car "DTU Dynamo". Last year the car set a new world record by driving 15 miles on 0,35 ounces of hydrogen. This equals to the 450 miles per gallon of gas.
This new invention has already been patented, and a new development is said to be underway.

Good job guys!

161 Comments:

At 2:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who actually thinks this will be allowed to enter in use? No no ... the oil companies are your friends, really!

 
At 2:31 PM, Blogger kieran said...

wow, i second anonymous. you might as well have said you figured out cold fusion and a way to end world hunger. LIKE THIS MATTERS! it won't be made.

jeez this world sucks.

 
At 2:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a pessimistic crowd. I'm hopeful! Screw the oil companies, public opinion will win out!!!!!!!!

 
At 2:36 PM, Anonymous Ivan said...

public opinion may win but the deep pockets of teh oil companies cam let them buy the patent and shelve the technology until it suits them...

 
At 2:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously
I''m so pissed off about the OIL and WAR situation there has to be a reason for those of us in the U.S. to take up arms.
How about grabbing a few $72 barrels of oil and having a 21st century Boston Tea Party?

 
At 2:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well by 2050 i'll be more like optimistic, and buy the new hydrogen fuled car. Guys oil aint getting over soon and the prices are gonns still rise.for something to come from lab to mass production can take more or less 10 years. i think its the car companies that shdu take the initiative and make theit cars compatible with these comming of age engines. shud follow the toyota rule." keep the quality top notch and prices low, only then consumers will love your product" i dunno if they follow this anymore but yea, if i come out with a product.

 
At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Adam said...

I agree, it's pretty exciting. With the cost of oil at an all time high it's good to see there are efforts being made to give the market an alternative.

Unfortunately ivan is correct, if they want to sell to an oil company... Fortunately even if that happens patents only last for a certain amount of time.

 
At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oil companies have deep pockets, and use it well... but the N. American and European publics (the big purchasers) have deeper ones. If there can be a competitive product made from this it will be. I'm always a little leary though, like its a 200 lb graphite car gliding at 20 mph or something that really doesn't compare to what we need a car to do. I'm hopeful though.

/thad

 
At 2:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The oil companies are currently investing millions into hydrogen research. They aren't stupid, and they know that's where the money is in the future.

As to cold fusion - believe me, i want it as bad as anyone. But hydrogen fuel cell technology is just a tad closer to reality. The current cold fusion schemes like sonofusion will most likely never reach the break even point - great for producing neutrons, bad for producing power.

Now, if we could perfect a high temperature superconductor that didn't collapse to an insulator under high magnetic fields - then we could easily control HOT fusion. Virtually free power for everyone (once the enormous cost of the reactor is out of the way). When that happens, we'll all be driving electric cars.

 
At 2:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's the thing about breakthroughs like this, though. The genius is figuring if it CAN be done... the rest is left as exercises for engineering students.

 
At 2:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's the thing about breakthroughs like this, though. The genius is figuring if it CAN be done... the rest is left as exercises for engineering students.

Sounds like what i like to do. I write business intelligence software, but all i really want to do is show how something is possible - i hand it off to someone else to fold it into a useable product. In other words, i just 'play' - someone else can do the 'work'.

 
At 3:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think that the days of the oil companies being able to supress things (if that ever really happened) are past. see http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/
26/business/biofuel.php
for an example. the men in the article are serious and also are seriously rich. by the way, the original post mentions a patent. could you please post a link to the patent so we could look at it?

 
At 3:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe we should revolt against the oil companies! Who wants to help raise an army.. Fight Club style. Ha. Because obviously politics wont work in this case. Time for action. The problem always lies in having enough of a problem so people will sacrifice everything to make change for the better. Like alternate fuels. No more stupid wars over oil.

 
At 3:05 PM, Blogger Morgan said...

Allowed to enter into use? What are you talking about? The only entity that can disallow its use is the state. If they have enough power and are susceptible to lobbyists, that's a problem with the state having too much power over you, not oil corporations.

There are a million reasonable things you can do to reduce your use of oil if you want. I don't. It's cheaper and better than other available fuel sources. And as long as they keep bringing it in from around the world, refining it, getting taxed up the rear, and still put it in my car for less than a gallon of stinking mil or bottled water, then I'm not complaining.

And man, that helpless attitude is going to take you guys far. Just keep sitting on your hands and waiting, someone will eventually deliver a water powered car to your doorstep and hopefully a box of diapers too.

 
At 3:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Really guys, you give the oil companies and other big business way too much credit. Live a little while and you'll notice that it is virtually impossible to stifle innovation in this world.

There are way too many outlets that it can seep from. Usually, if something is valuable to society and is feasible for the current market conditions and environment, it will make its way out, because there is profit to be made. This is the free market system, and it is the best on earth at the present.

 
At 3:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

If they really wanted to screw over the Oil companies they should take their specs and everything and put them online for free. Make them public domain. Then there's nothing the Oil companies could do about it.

When you choose knowledge over profit the world benefits.

And the profiteers shake in their boots.

Good job guys! I hope this actually does get a chance to change the world.

Everyone else, spread the word as far as you can - then they can't just easily cover it up and make it go away.

 
At 3:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only way oil will be supplanted is by a low level, grass roots effort. The wider the knowledge is spread the better. The momentum will be too much for them to stop. Otherwise, some big company with something to lose will buy all the rights and shelve the idea indefinitely, and the knowledge will pass from our consciousness.

If this invention (or another invention yet to be made) could be made into a simple and inexpensive kit or plans, ordinary people could pick up the ball that the big companies greedily held on to and then dropped.

I hear lots of complaints. It's time for action.

You can suppress innovation only for so long.

 
At 3:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Patented? Anyone care to link to the patent.

 
At 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alternative fules are irrevalent if there is not a delivery and distribution mechanism in place for consumers. Existing Gasoline stations could be retrofitted as Hydrogen delivery stations.

Secondly, don't overlook the fact that Hydrogen is not free, that it takes energy to create the Hydrogen (from electrosis of water) and energy to deal with the Ozone created from the electrosis.

Finally, this car does not burn Hydorgen, but uses it in a fuel cell to create electrocity which powers a motor.

 
At 3:40 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vested interests (oil companies) won't allow a paradigm shift they aren't participants in simply cause they have power in the form of well placed officials, money, lobbies, and quite simply, the CAPACITY to become large scale providers of Hydrogen as fuel.

One way or another it will take a while (years likely) before consumers experience the benefits, so don't expect it to hit the street tomorrow...

 
At 3:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the people who have developed this will sadly end up dead somehow, someway...as so have all the other past inventors/scientist who discover something that goes against the great power we call democracy...(thats a global term)..if it's gonna hurt their pockets, you better believe lobbyist are there to tell them...man i hate those in control..and for all those who want to uprise...go head, to it tomorrow...see how far you get...its a worthless cry...expecially in these times...and if you feel different..then i better hear on the news about you and your group of friends did something and stopped whining about it....

 
At 3:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry..didnt check..made corrections

the people who have developed this will sadly end up dead somehow, someway...as so have all the other past inventors/scientist who discover something that goes against the great power we call democracy...(thats a global term)..if it's gonna hurt their pockets, you better believe lobbyist are there to tell them about it...man i hate those in control..and for all those who want to uprise...go head, do it tomorrow...see how far you get...its a worthless cry...especially in these times...and if you feel different..then i better hear on the news that you and your group of friends did something or stop whining about it....

 
At 3:47 PM, Blogger Mike said...

The oil companies are paying for a lot of the government's power. When the oil companies feel some pressure, the politicians do too.

This'll never reach fruition, if the oil companies have their say (Which, most likely, they will).

For the guy who said something about ozone: ozone is a volatile molecule. It needs a lot of energy to hang around, so when it's been electrolized out of water, it'll go back to straight O2 in a few hours.

Basically: Leave it alone for 24 hrs, no energy problem with making it.

To the guy with the story: Good job, man. We need a few of these cars shipped over to the states.

To the guy with the Boston Tea Party idea: I do not condone such an action, but in the interest of good conversation, my email address is Phayder92889@gmail.com Please feel free to discuss this fictional situation at length.

 
At 3:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do you think we will be geting hydrogen from? Hint, it is more economical to refine fossel fuels into hydrogen then it is to crack water.

 
At 3:52 PM, Anonymous phire said...

Could this be the Patent? http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=4&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Hydrogen&s2=%22fuel+cell%22&OS=Hydrogen+AND+%22fuel+cell%22&RS=Hydrogen+AND+%22fuel+cell%22

 
At 3:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, I don't like the oil guys any more then anyone else, but even if this thing did make it into mass market. You all are forgetting that oil is used for much more then just mere transportation. If you really want a revolution, you need to allow industrial hemp to be prevelent in the usa as well.
Here is why:
You can't replace oil as long as you have plastics, rubber, and many other synthetic materials. Oil is used to make these. Soy beans and industrial hemp have however been shown to be able to reproduce all of these goods that oil does provide us. As for the hydrogen, thats great! Now lets see this hydrogen power aircraft.

 
At 4:07 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really need this to happen. It's just a matter of about 80 years before the planet will have raised 20 or so degrees more. Global Dimming has masked the true affects of Global Warming. We will all be dead. Who cares about their children. Let them suffer. AND THEY WILL. In one big dust bowl.

 
At 4:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bushco cant allow any non-oil for another 20-40 years. After that, expect to see it.

 
At 4:43 PM, Blogger Eman said...

Wow. You guys are kinda nutty. I will agree with one thing: everyone who comes up with an invention that rearranges the status quo eventually ends up DEAD. Isaac Newton? DEAD. Thomas Jefferson? DEAD. Ben Franklin? DEAD. Whitney? Bell? Edison? Ford? Oppenheimer? Kilby? DEAD DEAD DEAD. Every last one of them. You can take this to the bank: every one of those kids will end up DEAD.

I have a cousin that invented a 200-mpg carburetor and a perpetual motion machine. He's dead, too.

Face it, folks: the laws of physics were passed by Congress just to keep the little guy down. If you try to change things, you'll end up dead just like the others.

 
At 5:06 PM, Anonymous Keith said...

Finally, the automobile industry will have something to work on. Hydrogen, though is highly combustible, but it is a clean and efficient source of energy, just like wind turbine, as compared to coal, gas and oil.

The cost of producing a car running on Hydrogen fuel cell may be costly, but environmentally, it is friendlier. I am hoping there will be market for these fuel cell cars, where the demand is likely to come from urban cities, rather than rural areas.

 
At 5:09 PM, Anonymous Ryan Peterson said...

YOU ALL LACK FAITH!!! Times they are a changing. We once lived in a world where the ability to communicate ideas and information was expensive and difficult. We now live in the information age where even the richest people in the world can not stop the truth from going forward. Spread the word tell your friends and demand more from your next car, demand more from the goverment in terms of helping these companies develope products and the infastructure to sustain them. YOU HAVE A VOICE NOW USE IT!!!

 
At 5:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the winners of last years SAE supermleage competition beat that number by about 4 times. They got something around 1600 mpg on gas.

 
At 5:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Students really know what they're doing, unlike the "pros" in the field. It's time to start a student organisation, instead of selling out time after time to the big corporations...

 
At 5:25 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey with that fuel economy i'de pay $3 a gallon!

 
At 5:35 PM, Anonymous d03smith said...

I will modify my car...I do not care...that is way to good to be true. sign me up for the beta test.

 
At 5:58 PM, Anonymous Aaron Grider said...

My Dad works for Ford and was involved in the fuel cell project there and it really may become a reality. They already have 100 cars manufactured for testing but until the price goes down (it is currently $400,000 a car) it just will not happen.

 
At 6:20 PM, Anonymous mrinterweb said...

"How about grabbing a few $72 barrels of oil and having a 21st century Boston Tea Party?"

Sorry to tell you. That already happened. Remember Exon Valdez?

 
At 6:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

not that i care how fast the car is, but how fast does the car go? no one but emergency responders really have a need for over 30 mph when the environment and energy costs as well as the risk involved at high speeds are considered. it is really inconsiderate when people are stubborn about alternate energy when they can't break the speed limits using it.

 
At 6:33 PM, Anonymous I said...

Forget hydrogen, diesel is the way to go. The infrastructure is already in place, and the vast majority of modern diesel engines can also run off of biodiesel, the enviro-friendly solution (or any mix of biodiesel and regular diesel).

Of course, you still won't be able to legally make biodiesel at home. Not because THE MAN is trying to keep you down, but because you avoid gas taxes, which accounts for about 75% of gas prices. Want cheaper gas? Tell your government to stop taxing the crap out of it.

 
At 6:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

how about the fact that car companies can make a lot of money by releasing cars with better and cheaper fuel sources? Oil companies or not, with gas prices soaring the car companies HAVE to see this as an opportunity to make $$$. So at least we can all benefit from the greed of some, but lets be honest, many of those people are people like some of us, not greedy.

 
At 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

jh from USA..
to those naysayers saying the oil companies will stop it..
a few oil companies (2 refineries near my location)ie Shell & BP, have just finished the construction of H2 production units at their refineries.
currently they produce hydrogen for other uses(not sure the plant worker didnt know), but are able to produce hydrogen in large numbers from crude oil & the waste gas from refining of oil. as less use of oil for gas/diesel, mean more oil for hydrogen production. they are planning ahead, now to get the automakers to do the same. also from recent news reports, Iceland is using their geo-thermal sources of energy to make hydrogen, and the saudi are in developement phase of building plants using solar power to produce hydrogen from oil.

 
At 8:03 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I LOVE BIG OIL!!!!

CORPORATE AMERICA RULES!!!

YAY, CONSUMERISM!!!

YAY, GREED!!!




NOT!

I'LL LEAD THE REVOLUTION! MEET ME AT TIMES SQUARE AT 2:33 A.M. ON NOVEMBER 6TH, 2012 AND WE WILL CHANGE THE WORLD!

 
At 8:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep in mind that hydrogen powered vehicles require electricity to be generated in order to create the fuel (or take it from fossil fuels). And as of right now, most of the world's energy supplies come from fossil fuels. So either way, we're talking about using up more fossil fuels.

However, there are certainly still benefits of doing it through fuel cells. First of all, a power plant is both more efficient than an internal combustion engine, and being a more controlled environment, it is easier to collect more unwanted byproducts. Secondly, oil is not the fossil fuel that can be used. Natural gas, and possibly coal are possibilities. The huge benefit of coal in particular, is that the United States has enough coal to last hundreds of years. And there have been several advances in the last few years on cleaner burning coal. Lastly, hydrogen powered vehicles would consolidate our energy needs, essentially getting all of our energy from power plants. Then as new energy sources are developed they can simultaneously be implemented for cars as well as the rest of our power needs.

And really these same benefits apply to electrical cars, if they were more usable.

 
At 8:39 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As hard as it is to believe, President Bush would love nothing more than for us to develop an alternative to oil. That would totally solve the whole middle east issue. As soon as oil is worthless, we can (and will) start ignoring the middle east, and just let it rot, like Africa.

 
At 8:45 PM, Blogger Arthur Vandelay said...

The free market is great. Innovation always triumphs. Powerful capitalists don't manipulate markets, they're trying to help people.

Yeah, right.

I wonder why this product was never widely distributed:
http://www.centennialbulb.org/

 
At 8:49 PM, Blogger Arthur Vandelay said...

continued

Even Robert Heinlein, a hero of libertarians and lover of capitalism, didn't buy that crap. See his story, "Let There be Light."

 
At 5:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but aren't those Shell logos on the car? Uh oh...too late.

 
At 6:55 AM, Blogger DJDole said...

I doubt that the oil companies would care if this were put into production.
High efficiency vehicles use a lot of high-tech polymers and plastics which COME FROM OIL. Roads are paved in asphalt, which is a product from oil.
Even the production plants needed to manufacturer the vehicles will be using oil in many ways. Oil will still be needed as lubricant in the moving parts of the hydrogen engine as well as in the transmission, power steering, breaks etc.
The Oil industry will NOT be hurting if the auto industry finds a new fuel source for vehicles.

 
At 7:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shell logo for a car that makes the equivalent of 450 miles per gallon... mwahahahahahahah !

Is it just me or no one bother to ask why we would have to pay Shell(or any other big gas companies) for H2 to put in a H2 car ? Are peoples THAT afraid to be energy independent ?

For those who do not know how freaking easy it is to make H2, you could have a H2 generator in your garage to fill your car as you need it without paying anything to Shell.

 
At 7:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cheers to the Dutch team for this amazing success! I hope we see their technology integrated in vehicles in the not too distant future.

As for the Shell stickers on the car, I think it's in Shell's interest to stay in the fuel industry, regardless of what fuel that is. They also have a huge and successful distribution network, good for all of us.

But you know, if China is subsidizing the cost of gas down to around $1.75/gallon (current US gas is around $2.90/gallon, as of April 2006), maybe the US govt could help out with hydrogen development.

 
At 7:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Won't garage H2 generators be dangerous? I admit I don't know much about its combustive properties, but it's safe to say that if many amateurs try to make their own, accidents will happen.

 
At 7:49 AM, Blogger Lions Fan said...

I am all for alternate fuel. My guess is in 10 years, there will be about as many vehicles powered by alternate fuel as there are hybrids on the road today.

Driving to work today, I probably saw 3 cars, 8 vans, 1 Hummer, and 94 SUVs... I guess America isn't fed up with the prices yet. :\

 
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At 8:35 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a close look at the vehicle pictured. Notice that on the front and side, rather prominently displayed, is a logo for Shell. So entrenched energy companies are already clearly very interested in what's next. While they're clearly making a killing now, petroleum is probably in its endgame, and they realize as well as anyone else that it will soon be economically impossible to market as they have. I think that instead of an army of violence, there should be an army of homebrew engineers, inventors, and tinkerers creating viable alternative vehicles, posting (and VETTING / VERIFYING / CRITIQUING) designs in an open source fashion. That spirit worked for the homebrew computer club, and of course much of early american industrial history. Once vehicles are out there doing their thing, we can see about getting them licensed to drive on the roads.

 
At 9:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few technical points, please:
H2 is an energy-transport tech (like many fuels) - put energy in when cracking it off something else (water or hydrocarbs) with whatever energy source you want (_any_), then it holds that chemical potential till it's "burned" back into water + energy, even in a fuel cell. It's so much better than batteries, for loss-over-time and wieght especially. That's all very old tech (on a scale of decades).

Their innovation here, as far as I can tell from the little blurb, is to waste less H2 on the way from the tank to the fuel cell and exhaust - it's _always_ a good idea to waste less fuel.

Yep, H2's very simple to make: I did so with a battery and a beaker of water as a teenager in school. I don't think having everyone *actually* do so in their garages was the point - rather, just that it's so darn easy we could. Use whatever works - wind, sun, nuke, geotherm...

Similarly, H2 is very very energy-dense, but most of the fear of it is hyped: the Hindenberg burned because of coating the main bag with jet fuel to reduce drag, and even then crossed the Atlantic many times without incident. It's H2 ended up burning when the whole shell did, but it still didn't blow up. Relatively few deaths (mostly from falling), but some spectacular footage when that was new for news.

Fuel-tank-rupture + ignition in a presurized H2 system produces a tight, quick column of lavender plasma, almost a mini-mushroom cloud: tears the ever-lovin' out of the top of the tank, but mostly just flashes in the air over it. Gasoline, in the same situation, spreads a puddle of burning liquid under the vehicle and cooks it very well-done: actually much more risky.

Further, there are H2 storage technologies that are past prototype that are even less risky than a pressurized tank - metal hydride systems by folks like Ovshinsky (sp?) in Michigan bind the H2 loosely to a honeycomb matrix of already-partially-hydrated alloy. Since it's not freefloating in the air, it won't ignite: you have to apply a very small current to the matrix first to crack the fuel back out of storage, then get the big energy return in the fuel cell as it sticks back to O2, leaving water.

Iceland is helping drive the applications for H2 fuel, and gains like the one in the original report here make the economics all the closer to something that will convince even "energy"-industry execs. If you want to count on the big old money for any one thing, greed would be it. When it's more efficent at lining their pockets (another decade or two I'd guess), they'll be leading the cheer-squad for the H2 bandwagon.

Personally, I'd love a triple-fuel 4WD: diesel (esp, for bio-d), H2-fuel cell, and battery storage to charge up from the grid and regenerative braking. All that's pretty well-established tech, has lots of flexibility, and all (potentially) very very clean, depending where the juice for the grid and H2-cracking originally comes from. And even if some of that is a coal plant, I'd rather burn our fossil fuels in larger well-regulated plants than under every hood - lower enviro cost.

Have fun, and hang in there: the top of the social pyramid is often slow to accept change that benefits the rest more than themselves, but change is already in motion whether they accept it early, late, or never. They'll come around or die out, eventually.

BTW, if you're worried about exhausting fossil fules and losing the source of plastics and the like, check out "TDP" - you can cook light-sweet-crude out of turkey guts (or just about any carbon-source) for costs very close to pumping it out of the ground, right now.

There are answers. These researchers helped make them more efficient.
Power to the engineering students!

 
At 1:55 PM, Anonymous Geoff said...

This is a very complicated issue, as most are. So let me just suggest 2 facts. This is a link to a new mass transit fuel cell program in the San Francisco Bay Area, where I am from: Fuel Cell Buses

This is how hybrid electric vehicles first entered production use, in large fleets and public transportation.

I also suggest you take a look at who is providing the hydrogen fuel for this project (hint, if you dig a little you will find two sources) and also how that fuel is being produced.

 
At 2:35 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oil companies won't let this
happen!

Oil companies won't let this happen!

Oil companies won't let this happen!

Boo hoo hoo!!!

Damn if there aren't some stupid people in the world.

Surely Yahoo and Altavista will be the only search engines because everybody uses them and they make the most money.

No wait, Google came along out of nowhere and did things differently and nobody stopped them.

Same can happen with any good or service.

 
At 7:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe they should just post on a blog exactly how they did it and "poof" - cats out of the bag - world is a better place. Me, my oil stocks will tank. I'll deal with it.

 
At 9:40 AM, Anonymous David Mackey said...

Great article. Thanks for the update. I can't wait till our cars reach the hydrogen level.

 
At 7:04 PM, Blogger Gadget.Nut said...

I love reading blogs like this to see how much effort is wasted on conspiracy theories and oil companies. How much information regarding the process, the machine and the actual accomplishment these students have made is being discussed here?..
Yeah I thought so....

 
At 12:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

After a year 2018 we will be out of oil. And i think that is for the best. :)

 
At 6:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

you guys gotta read "crossing the rubicon" by michael ruppert.

 
At 2:02 PM, Blogger v said...

"This is a pessimistic crowd. I'm hopeful! Screw the oil companies, public opinion will win out!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, right. That's why we're still at war in the Middle-East, huh.

Great story, however. I'm sure Europe will jump on this bandwagon long beofre America does, as usual.

 
At 4:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

where do you think they get Hydrogen shell already owns Hydrogen stations all over Greenland or Iceland you need oil or lots of natural hydrogen the oil companys still have us and always will no matter what our fuel choice is they will provide it that is there business

 
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At 1:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oil is the spice melange of this modern world, you rule the "spice," you rule the planet. Whether that "spice" is a fossil fuel or the number 1 element, someone will always control it. It so sad that we are entering a new dark-age just because of our greed.
Though more advancment in the direction like these Dutch students might overule the latter because with progress comes enlightenment. And we need a bunch of that now-a-days.
We still think like we did hundreds of years ago, fighting for things that are material, why can't we just share? Maybe Darwin tapped a bigger iceberg with evolution then he thought: Is capitalism our new proving ground for survival of the "greediest?"

 
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